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[Quick review] Level51 Forge-15R (R5-3600, RTX 2060)

Review unit specs
R5-3600
RTX2060 115W
16GB 2666MHz dual channel
500GB WD Black NVMe SSD
15.6 inch LP156WF6-SPB2 144Hz IPS
Intel AX200 WIFI
W10 (unactivated)
Based on Clevo NH57ADS chassis

Note: This quick review will mainly focus on thermals+performance

Build quality, input devices, display, audio, battery
The laptop is mainly built from plastic. Despite that, the rigidity is decent. There isn't much flex when pressing on A cover+C cover and twisting the base. Only some flex is found when twisting the lid but not a big deal.
Keyboard is excellent. Typing feel is satisfying, good key travel, keys are quite clicky. There is per key RGB backlit but the lighting options are limited. The touchpad is OKish - surface will become rough with wet/greasy fingers, and the dedicated L/R mouse buttons feel a bit mushy when clicked. The display has decent brightness and colour accurate - typical high sRGB 144Hz IPS quality. Note that the display is calibrated out of the box. The audio quality is…
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Opinion: Ryzen 4000 mobile is a great solution to thin and light gaming laptops

Most thin and lights have big battery nowadays According to several reviews from reputable sources, it's proven that Ryzen 4000 mobile gaming laptops are able to achieve longer battery life compared to Intel's 14nm. The difference could be as big as 30-100% like Zephyrus G14. Cooling room is limited due to thinner chassis Zen 2 frequency scales with lower power budget really well due to more superior efficiency. Even with relatively low power limit like 35W, it can still perform decently while not outputting too much heat. Eg. 8c16t able to maintain >3GHz, pulling 35W, even under extreme load like Aida64 FPU. Hence, manufacturers don't have to worry too much about heat while still maintaining decent CPU performance.

Wish we could see more thin and light gaming laptops with Ryzen inside in future.

Discussion: Nvidia confusing TGP values in 16/20 mobile

First, take a look on Nvidia specified TGP values for 16/20 mobile GPUs in their website:

GTX1650: 30-50W
GTX1650Ti: 35-55W
GTX1660Ti: 60-80W
RTX2060: 65-90W (65-115W in the latest update)
RTX2070: 80-115W
RTX2070S: 80-115W
RTX2080: 80-150+W
RTX2080S: 80-150+W

To simplify things, here is the possible TGP values you can find:

GTX1650 MQ: 30W
GTX1650: 50W
GTX1650Ti MQ: 35W
GTX1650Ti: 55W
RTX2060 MQ: 65W
RTX2060: 80W, 90W, 115W
RTX2070 MQ: 80W, 90W, 100W, 115W
RTX2070: 115W
RTX2080MQ: 80W, 90W, 100W, 150W
RTX2080: 150W-200W, some use 150W, some use 180W, some use 200W
(will update 2070S and 2080S when reviews are out)

So what do these values mean? Why I wanted to bring up this topic? Basically, higher TGP means the GPU is able to operate at higher clock speed (assuming same GPU). Eg 1500MHz average compared to 1400MHz average. In general, the same GPU can have different performance depending on the TGP. You might get 115W 2060 in Laptop A and 80W 2060 in Laptop B, and the 115W 2060 will …

PSA: Be aware of lower quality 120Hz panel when shopping for a new gaming laptop

PSA: There are many 120Hz 45% NTSC, ~15ms panels in newly announced gaming laptops (eg Asus TUF FA506). Be aware if you're shopping for a new one.

http://www.panelook.com/B156HAN13.0__15.6_LCM_overview_41405.html
http://www.panelook.com/LM156LFGL01__15.6_LCM_overview_43720.html
http://www.panelook.com/LM156LFGL02__15.6_LCM_overview_43722.html
http://www.panelook.com/LM156LFGL03__15.6_LCM_overview_43724.html
(the 120Hz Panda panel is also available in 144Hz, eg Asus FA506)
http://www.panelook.com/B173HAN04.7__17.3_LCM_overview_43826.html (17 inch)

IMO this is a bad move from manufacturers. Many of them don't have the option to upgrade to 72% NTSC (60Hz/144Hz), therefore you'll be stuck using lower quality 120Hz panel. Even those high quality 120Hz TN panels (90+% NTSC) used in the old days are better.

My thoughts on the new Zephyrus G14 (if you're considering it / buying it)

Finally Ryzen 4000 mobile launch

Pros:
performance is just superb for its sizedecent cooling (with max fans and lift)small, thin and lightnot that expensive actually (in thin and light category)decent build quality despite its thinnessAX200 instead of Realtek shitaround 8 hrs battery life (normal units, some units have issue where Nvidia GPU doesn't idle)decent keyboard, glass touchpaddecent speakers Cons:
high response times despite 120Hzno webcampoor heat exhaust design due to lifting mechanism (blocking heat)uneven keyboard backlightIntel 660p QLC SSD (may depend on region)must use max fans, otherwise cannot cool well (auto fans too silent)Asus can actually use a full 2060 80W - there is still some headroom for GPU Personally I'm fine with single storage, single soldered RAM (1 free slot) and lack of some ports due to its size.

To add on:
3200MHz CL22 is the standard spec, therefore don't complain about the high latency / CAS. Despite that it's still faster than 2666MH…

Revisited: Level51 Forge 15 series - with CM Mastergel Maker paste

Retested thermals of Forge 15 series with CM Mastergel Maker, some interesting results.

Notes: Ambient temp is around 26CAuto fan curve is usedThere is CPU undervolt of -50mV by default. Custom undervolt is -100mV (highlighted in blue colour)Thermal paste application method - CPU: line method, GPU: X methodLaptop is plugged in
Forge 15 (i7-9750H, GTX1650)
CPU - Aida64 FPU only: Performance mode (PL1 60W)
Stock: 80-82C, 3.11-3.13GHz
UV: 80-81C, 3.25-3.26GHz
UV+PL1 75W (override): 91-94C, 3.51-3.53GHz

PL1 cannot be 80W or more, otherwise VRM will throttle

GPU - Unigine Heaven: With CPU UV, CPU disabled turbo, Extreme profile, windowed mode
60-62C, average ~1683MHz

Aida64+Heaven: Max fans enabled, CPU UV
CPU: 55W (capped), 90-93C, 3.13-3.19GHz
GPU: 50W, 75C, average ~1588MHz
Enabling max fans will have the same result in CPU or GPU only load.
Forge 15 Elite (i7-9750H, GTX1660Ti)
CPU - Aida64 FPU only: Performance mode (PL1 60W)
Stock: 79-80C, 3.27-3.28GHz
UV: 79-80C, 3.4-3.42GHz
UV+max fans: 77…

[REVIEW] Level51 / Aftershock Vapor 15 Pro (i7-9750H, GTX 1660Ti)

[With in depth thermal testing and thermal results with CM Mastergel Maker Nano thermal paste]

An Intel collaboration.

Welcome to my review on Level51 / Aftershock Vapor 15 Pro thin and light gaming laptop, also known as Tongfang QC7 (LAPQC71A). Main specs of the review unit are as below:

i7-9750H
GTX1660Ti
16gb dual channel RAM
512GB NVMe SSD
15.6 inch 144Hz IPS
Intel AX200
W10 (unactivated)

Note: This review is originally a video based review, therefore there will be only a few images.
Design
Starting off with the design of the laptop. The matte black colour makes the laptop look professional IMO. The design is clean. There are no disturbing or fancy lines, which makes it suitable for professional/business environments (remember to off RGB lights). One word to summarize the design –minimalistic. What do you think?

Build quality
The laptop chassis is mainly made from magnesium alloy. The lid has only minimal flex when twisted. The same can be said when force is applied on the middle of …

[REVIEW] Illegear Onyx Pro (i7-9750H, RTX 2070)

A gaming laptop under 1.7kg? With a 2070MP somemore?

Welcome to my review on Illegear Onyx Pro thin and light gaming laptop, also known as Tongfang GK5CP7Y (Tongfang: ODM, GK5-Y: model). Main specs of the review unit are as below:

i7-9750H
RTX2070 Max-P
16gb dual channel RAM
Seagate Barracuda 510 256GB NVMe SSD
15.6 inch 240Hz IPS
Intel AX200
W10

Note: There are many images in this review, take note if you're using mobile data with limited quota

Design
Starting off from the design of the laptop. I really like the grey colour brush finish which makes the laptop looks shiny and premium. The footprint is also very small for a gaming laptop. The design language is minimalist. There are no disturbing lines which is suitable for professional/business environments. Overall design looks great in my opinion.





Selenite Pro and Onyx Pro side by side

Build quality
The laptop chassis is mainly made from magnesium alloy. Due to its low weight (which will be discussed later), I expect there wi…